
The Office of Naval Intelligence sends a real Man in Black to crash NBC’s Dark Skies premiere party and offer Bryce and Brent a UFO cooperation deal. It’s Ground Zero for our entire series about the convergence of Hollywood and UFOs and secrecy. The Dark Skies series is our first portal into The Phenomenon.

While praising Close Encounters of the Third Kind as the most influential UFO movie ever, Bryce and Brent tackle rumors that Steven Spielberg took his own deal with the government to get inside information, and Brent relays exactly what Dark Skies director Tobe Hooper told him about his experience.

Bryce and Brent take on Contact, celebrity astronomer Carl Sagan’s love letter to the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, and ask if maybe Sagan had a secret life when it came to UFOs. They made him a continuing character on their Dark Skies series, and Bryce even debated UFOs with Sagan in the PBS parking lot.

A discussion about the prescient UFO movie Hangar 18 leads to both hosts recounting more brushes with government insiders. In 1981, Brent was told by a family friend and Reagan insider that aliens are real. And in 2025, a UAP whistleblower asked Bryce to help get Brent’s source to testify on Capitol Hill.
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